{"id":32270,"date":"2020-03-11T08:08:20","date_gmt":"2020-03-11T08:08:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shqiperia.com\/blog\/?p=32270"},"modified":"2020-03-11T08:10:40","modified_gmt":"2020-03-11T08:10:40","slug":"mjeku-ne-bergamo-itali-zgjedhim-ke-duhet-te-shpetojme-vendosim-sipas-moshes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shqiperia.com\/blog\/mjeku-ne-bergamo-itali-zgjedhim-ke-duhet-te-shpetojme-vendosim-sipas-moshes\/","title":{"rendered":"Mjeku n\u00eb Bergamo (Itali) : Zgjedhim k\u00eb duhet t\u00eb shp\u00ebtojm\u00eb, vendosim sipas mosh\u00ebs \u2026"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"32271\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.shqiperia.com\/blog\/mjeku-ne-bergamo-itali-zgjedhim-ke-duhet-te-shpetojme-vendosim-sipas-moshes\/mjeku-905x450\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.shqiperia.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/mjeku-905x450-1.jpg?fit=905%2C450&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"905,450\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"mjeku-905&#215;450\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.shqiperia.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/mjeku-905x450-1.jpg?fit=300%2C149&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.shqiperia.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/mjeku-905x450-1.jpg?fit=905%2C450&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-32271\" alt=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.shqiperia.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/mjeku-905x450-1.jpg?resize=674%2C335&#038;ssl=1\" width=\"674\" height=\"335\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.shqiperia.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/mjeku-905x450-1.jpg?resize=300%2C149&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.shqiperia.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/mjeku-905x450-1.jpg?resize=768%2C382&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.shqiperia.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/mjeku-905x450-1.jpg?resize=450%2C224&amp;ssl=1 450w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.shqiperia.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/mjeku-905x450-1.jpg?resize=600%2C298&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.shqiperia.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/mjeku-905x450-1.jpg?resize=400%2C199&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.shqiperia.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/mjeku-905x450-1.jpg?w=905&amp;ssl=1 905w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 674px) 100vw, 674px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Mjeku n\u00eb Bergamo (Itali) : &#8211; Zgjedhim k\u00eb duhet t\u00eb shp\u00ebtojm\u00eb, vendosim sipas mosh\u00ebs\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>11 mars \u00a02020<\/p>\n<p>\u201cNj\u00eb dhom\u00eb e madhe me nj\u00ebzet shtret\u00ebr \u00ebsht\u00eb hapur n\u00eb brend\u00ebsi t\u00eb urgjenc\u00ebs, e cila p\u00ebrdoret vet\u00ebm p\u00ebr ngjarje masive. Ne e quajm\u00eb at\u00eb Pemaf, ose Plani i Urgjenc\u00ebs p\u00ebr maksimumin e fluksit. K\u00ebtu \u00ebsht\u00eb vendi ku b\u00ebhet p\u00ebrzgjedhja\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb bised\u00eb e leht\u00eb me Christian Salaroli, 48 vje\u00e7, i martuar, babai i dy f\u00ebmij\u00ebve, drejtor mjek\u00ebsor, anestezist reanimator i spitalit Papa Giovanni XXIII n\u00eb Bergamo, nj\u00eb nga m\u00eb t\u00eb populluarit e k\u00ebtyre jav\u00ebve.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cVendoset sipas mosh\u00ebs dhe kushteve sh\u00ebndet\u00ebsore. Si n\u00eb t\u00eb gjitha situatat e luft\u00ebs. Nuk po e them un\u00eb, por manualet me t\u00eb cilat kemi studiuar\u201d. Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb intervista e tij p\u00ebr Corriere Della Sera.<\/p>\n<p><strong>At\u00ebher\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb e v\u00ebrtet\u00eb?<\/strong><br \/>\nSigurisht q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb. N\u00eb ato shtret\u00ebr pranohen vet\u00ebm grat\u00eb dhe burrat me pneumoni Covid-19, q\u00eb vuajn\u00eb nga insuficienca respiratore. T\u00eb tjer\u00ebt n\u00eb sht\u00ebpi.<\/p>\n<p><strong>M\u00eb pas \u00e7far\u00eb ndodh?<\/strong><br \/>\nI vendosim ata n\u00eb ventilim jo-invaziv, i cili quhet Niv. Hapi i par\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb ky.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Po hapat e tjer\u00eb?<\/strong><br \/>\nVij tek m\u00eb e r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishmja. N\u00eb m\u00ebngjes her\u00ebt, me t\u00eb kuruarit n\u00eb urgjenc\u00eb kalon reanimatori. Mendimi i tij \u00ebsht\u00eb shum\u00eb i r\u00ebnd\u00ebsish\u00ebm.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Pse ka kaq shum\u00eb r\u00ebnd\u00ebsi?<\/strong><br \/>\nP\u00ebrve\u00e7 mosh\u00ebs dhe gjendjes s\u00eb p\u00ebrgjithshme, elementi i tret\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb aft\u00ebsia e pacientit p\u00ebr t\u2019u rikuperuar nga nj\u00eb nd\u00ebrhyrje reanimatore.<\/p>\n<p><strong>P\u00ebr \u00e7far\u00eb po flasim?<\/strong><br \/>\nKjo e shkaktuar nga Covid-19 \u00ebsht\u00eb pneumoni intersticiale, nj\u00eb form\u00eb shum\u00eb agresive q\u00eb ndikon aq shum\u00eb n\u00eb oksigjenimin e gjakut. Pacient\u00ebt m\u00eb t\u00eb prekur b\u00ebhen hipoksik\u00eb, dometh\u00ebn\u00eb, ata nuk kan\u00eb m\u00eb sasi t\u00eb mjaftueshme oksigjeni n\u00eb organiz\u00ebm.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kur vjen koha p\u00ebr t\u00eb zgjedhur?<\/strong><br \/>\nMenj\u00ebher\u00eb m\u00eb pas. Ne jemi t\u00eb detyruar ta b\u00ebjm\u00eb. N\u00eb dy dit\u00eb, m\u00eb s\u00eb shumti. Ventilimi jo-invaziv \u00ebsht\u00eb vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb faz\u00eb kaluese. Meqen\u00ebse p\u00ebr fat t\u00eb keq ka disproporcion midis burimeve spitalore, shtret\u00ebrve t\u00eb kujdesit intensiv dhe njer\u00ebzve me s\u00ebmundje kritike, jo t\u00eb gjith\u00eb intubohen.<\/p>\n<p><strong>N\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb pik\u00eb \u00e7far\u00eb ndodh at\u00ebher\u00eb?<\/strong><br \/>\nB\u00ebhet e nevojshme q\u00eb ato t\u00eb ventilohen mekanikisht. Ata t\u00eb cil\u00ebt zgjidhen p\u00ebr t\u00eb vazhduar, intubohen t\u00eb gjith\u00eb, ose vendosen me bark posht\u00eb, sepse kjo manov\u00ebr mund t\u00eb favorizoj\u00eb ventilimin e zonave t\u00eb poshtme t\u00eb mushk\u00ebrive.<\/p>\n<p><strong>A ka ndonj\u00eb rregull t\u00eb shkruar?<\/strong><br \/>\nP\u00ebr momentin, p\u00ebrkund\u00ebr asaj q\u00eb lexoj, jo. Si rregull, edhe n\u00ebse e kuptoj q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb fjal\u00eb e keqe, vler\u00ebsohen me shum\u00eb kujdes pacient\u00ebt me patologji serioze kardio-respiratore dhe njer\u00ebzit me probleme t\u00eb r\u00ebnda t\u00eb arterieve koronare, sepse ata tolerojn\u00eb hipoksin\u00eb akute dob\u00ebt dhe kan\u00eb pak shanse t\u00eb mbijetojn\u00eb n\u00eb faz\u00ebn kritike.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ndonj\u00eb gj\u00eb tjet\u00ebr?<\/strong><br \/>\nN\u00ebse nj\u00eb person midis 80 dhe 95 vje\u00e7\u00ebve ka nj\u00eb insuficenc\u00eb t\u00eb r\u00ebnd\u00eb respiratore, me siguri nuk procedon. N\u00ebse ka nj\u00eb insuficienz\u00eb shum\u00eb-organike t\u00eb m\u00eb shum\u00eb se tre organeve vitale, kjo do t\u00eb thot\u00eb se ai ka nj\u00eb p\u00ebrqindje t\u00eb vdekshm\u00ebris\u00eb nj\u00ebqind p\u00ebr qind. Tashm\u00eb ka ikur.<\/p>\n<p><strong>E lini t\u00eb vdes\u00eb?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Edhe kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb gjithashtu nj\u00eb fjali e tmerrshme. Por p\u00ebr fat t\u00eb keq \u00ebsht\u00eb e v\u00ebrtet\u00eb. Ne nuk jemi n\u00eb gjendje t\u00eb tentojm\u00eb ato q\u00eb quhen mrekulli. \u00cbsht\u00eb realiteti.<\/p>\n<p><strong>A nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb gjithmon\u00eb k\u00ebshtu?<\/strong><br \/>\nJo. Sigurisht, edhe n\u00eb koh\u00ebra normale vler\u00ebsohet rast pas rasti, n\u00eb reparte ne p\u00ebrpiqemi t\u00eb kuptojm\u00eb n\u00ebse pacienti mund t\u00eb sh\u00ebrohet nga \u00e7do nd\u00ebrhyrje. Tani po e zbatojm\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb diskrecion n\u00eb nj\u00eb shkall\u00eb t\u00eb gjer\u00eb.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kush lihet t\u00eb shkoj\u00eb, vdes nga Covid-19 apo nga patologjit\u00eb e m\u00ebparshme?<\/strong><br \/>\nKjo fjal\u00eb, se ata nuk vdesin nga koronavirusi \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb g\u00ebnjesht\u00ebr q\u00eb m\u00eb hidh\u00ebron. Madje nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb as respekt p\u00ebr ata q\u00eb na l\u00ebn\u00eb. Ata vdesin nga Covid-19, sepse n\u00eb form\u00ebn e tij kritike, pneumonia intersticiale prek problemet e m\u00ebparshme t\u00eb frym\u00ebmarrjes dhe pacienti nuk mund t\u00eb duroj\u00eb m\u00eb. Vdekja shkaktohet nga virusi dhe nga asgj\u00eb tjet\u00ebr.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dhe ju mjek\u00ebt, arrini ta p\u00ebrballoni k\u00ebt\u00eb situat\u00eb?<\/strong><br \/>\nDisa dalin t\u00eb shtypur. Kjo i ndodh shefit t\u00eb repartit dhe djalit t\u00eb sapoardhur q\u00eb e gjen veten n\u00eb m\u00ebngjes her\u00ebt, duke vendosur fatin e nj\u00eb qenie njer\u00ebzore. N\u00eb nj\u00eb shkall\u00eb t\u00eb gjer\u00eb, po e p\u00ebrs\u00ebris.<\/p>\n<p><strong>A nuk t\u00eb shqet\u00ebson t\u00eb jesh arbitri i jet\u00ebs dhe vdekjes s\u00eb nj\u00eb qenie njer\u00ebzore?<\/strong><br \/>\nTani p\u00ebr tani fle nat\u00ebn. Sepse un\u00eb e di se zgjedhja bazohet n\u00eb supozimin se dikush, pothuajse gjithmon\u00eb m\u00eb i ri, ka m\u00eb shum\u00eb mund\u00ebsi t\u00eb mbijetoj\u00eb se tjetri. T\u00eb pakt\u00ebn, \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb ngush\u00ebllim.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00c7far\u00eb mendoni p\u00ebr masat e fundit t\u00eb qeveris\u00eb?<\/strong><br \/>\nNdoshta jam pak gjenerik. Koncepti i mbylljes s\u00eb virusit n\u00eb zona t\u00eb caktuara \u00ebsht\u00eb i sakt\u00eb, por ai vjen t\u00eb pakt\u00ebn nj\u00eb jav\u00eb me vones\u00eb. Ajo q\u00eb me t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb ka r\u00ebnd\u00ebsi \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb gj\u00eb tjet\u00ebr.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Cila?<\/strong><br \/>\nQ\u00ebndroni n\u00eb sht\u00ebpi. Q\u00ebndroni n\u00eb sht\u00ebpi. Nuk lodhem duke e p\u00ebrs\u00ebritur. Shoh shum\u00eb njer\u00ebz n\u00eb rrug\u00eb. P\u00ebrgjigja m\u00eb e mir\u00eb p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb virus nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb q\u00eb t\u00eb mos dilni xhiro. Ju nuk e imagjinoni se \u00e7far\u00eb po ndodh k\u00ebtu. Q\u00ebndroni n\u00eb sht\u00ebpi.<\/p>\n<p><strong>A ka munges\u00eb t\u00eb personelit?<\/strong><br \/>\nNe t\u00eb gjith\u00eb po b\u00ebjm\u00eb gjith\u00e7ka. Ne anestezist\u00ebt kryejm\u00eb nd\u00ebrrime mb\u00ebshtet\u00ebse n\u00eb dhom\u00ebn ton\u00eb t\u00eb operacionit, e cila menaxhon Bergamon, Brescian dhe Sondrion. Mjek\u00eb t\u00eb tjer\u00eb t\u00eb ambulancave p\u00ebrfundojn\u00eb n\u00eb repart, sot m\u00eb takon mua.<\/p>\n<p><strong>N\u00eb dhom\u00ebn e madhe?<\/strong><br \/>\nSakt\u00eb. Shum\u00eb nga koleg\u00ebt e mi i v\u00ebn\u00eb fajin k\u00ebsaj situate. Nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb vet\u00ebm ngarkesa e pun\u00ebs, por ajo emocionale, e cila \u00ebsht\u00eb shkat\u00ebrruese. Kam par\u00eb infermiere me tridhjet\u00eb vjet p\u00ebrvoj\u00eb pas tyre q\u00eb qajn\u00eb, njer\u00ebz q\u00eb kan\u00eb kriza nervore dhe befas dridhen. Ju nuk e dini se \u00e7far\u00eb po ndodh n\u00eb spitale, kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb arsyeja pse vendosa t\u00eb flas.<\/p>\n<p><strong>A ekziston ende e drejta e p\u00ebrkujdesjes?<\/strong><br \/>\nTani p\u00ebr tani \u00ebsht\u00eb e k\u00ebrc\u00ebnuar nga fakti se sistemi nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00eb gjendje t\u00eb marr\u00eb p\u00ebrsip\u00ebr t\u00eb zakonshmen dhe t\u00eb jasht\u00ebzakonshmen n\u00eb t\u00eb nj\u00ebjt\u00ebn koh\u00eb. Pra, trajtimet standarde mund t\u00eb ken\u00eb vonesa serioze.<\/p>\n<p><strong>A mund t\u00eb m\u00eb jepni nj\u00eb shembull?<\/strong><br \/>\nNormalisht thirrja p\u00ebr nj\u00eb sulm n\u00eb zem\u00ebr procedohet brenda disa minutash. Tani mund t\u00eb ndodh\u00eb q\u00eb t\u00eb prisni edhe p\u00ebr nj\u00eb or\u00eb ose m\u00eb shum\u00eb.<\/p>\n<p><strong>A gjeni nj\u00eb shpjegim p\u00ebr t\u00eb gjith\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb?<\/strong><br \/>\nNuk po e k\u00ebrkoj. Un\u00eb i them vetes \u00ebsht\u00eb si operacionet e luft\u00ebs. Ne vet\u00ebm p\u00ebrpiqemi t\u2019i shp\u00ebtojm\u00eb jet\u00ebn atyre q\u00eb mund t\u2019ia dalin. Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb ajo q\u00eb po ndodh.<\/p>\n<p>o.j\/dita<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Mjeku n\u00eb Bergamo (Itali) : &#8211; Zgjedhim k\u00eb duhet t\u00eb shp\u00ebtojm\u00eb, vendosim sipas mosh\u00ebs\u2026 11 mars \u00a02020 \u201cNj\u00eb dhom\u00eb e madhe me nj\u00ebzet shtret\u00ebr \u00ebsht\u00eb hapur n\u00eb brend\u00ebsi t\u00eb urgjenc\u00ebs, e cila p\u00ebrdoret vet\u00ebm p\u00ebr ngjarje masive. Ne e quajm\u00eb at\u00eb Pemaf, ose Plani i Urgjenc\u00ebs p\u00ebr maksimumin e fluksit. 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